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Paddatoochie · Jan 31, 2007, 09:48 AM // 09:48

Hi guys,

I just wanna know if people would still let someone without Vent into serious HA groups. I wanna get into HA alot more, but I don't have Factions, don't have Vent, and am also in a PvE oriented Guild. My Dad has a Proxy server set up at home, and is really security concious when it comes to the internet, and he also says that programmes like Vent use up alot of Bandwidth, and so he doesn't let me use it. So back to my original question, is being in a good HA group viable without Vent?

caffine addict · Jan 31, 2007, 09:58 AM // 09:58

vent is very important in serious group in any pvp. You can however get in groups that are low ranked and fotm builds without it but any serious group will ask for vent or ts. While they do take up some bandwidth it shouldnt effect your computer if running anything but dialup. If you dont have Factions you will limit your abilty to play certain builds so it might be hard to get into a serious group because of that.
I think that the teams abilty to do well is about 50% build, 25% comunication 25% skill but thats because HA is very unstable right now

tomcruisejr · Jan 31, 2007, 04:53 PM // 16:53

not important if you're leet.

theoretically, people can play competitively without vent. and doing it is like riding a bicycle without always thinking about balancing it.

Bastian · Jan 31, 2007, 05:11 PM // 17:11

IMO, for good HA groups, Ts/Vent is needed for many reasons:

1. Even if you are not a spike team, tactics are called easily using voice com. Additionally, even pressure teams can call spikes if needed, and you can't call spikes without voice com.

2. Defense. While the monks should have a good idea of who is being attacked by who - they need to know more than just that. Are there a lot of conditions on people? How important are those conditions? Blinding, Cripple, Deep Wound, and Dazed all look the same on the party window. If bleeding, poison, or disease are involved, it makes it even tougher to figure out what conditions need to be removed first.

3. Talking with your party is a good way to form bonds and friendship.

4. Voice coms are free.

There are other reasons, I am sure, but these alone are enough to need a voice com in any competetive PvP group.

Thom Bangalter · Jan 31, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Two Map types need vent:

altar maps and relic runs.

If your team is good and everyone knows what you're doing you can tear through most maps with ease.

If your fairly inexperienced in HA or plan on holding for a while, Vent is a requirement.

Don't trust teams with TS.

axe · Jan 31, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Well since you are asking I have to assume that you are unranked (or you would know the answer) and in order to get into unranked groups (which is what you will be starting out doing) the answer is NO!!! you dont need it and in fact the subject of vent rarely comes up.

HOWEVER there are "serious" unranked groups that do use vent. Those groups will advertise while forming the group that vent is required. So if you dont have it, dont bother with them.

To get into HA you do not need Vent. To be serious at HA you do not need vent. Does it give an advantage YES!!!

I am currently Rank 6 SLASH RANK and a wolf pops out. And I got all my fame without ever using vent, this was not by choice though I have 56K modem and I just cant handle Voice comm and GW simultaneously. There are MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY Times where our team lost because we did not have good communication, if we were on Vent we would have won, plain and simple.

The answer to your question is No, not required, Beneficial YES. Good Luck to you in your quest for fame and glory.

Alleji · Jan 31, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

not important if you're leet.

theoretically, people can play competitively without vent. and doing it is like riding a bicycle without always thinking about balancing it.

Coming from an IWAYer, this answer doesn't hold any weight imo. Builds that actually require coordination and have a flexible game plan require vent.

Groups will also ask you to bring factions skills for a lot of the builds, and while factions is the least-used set of skills compared to the other two, it's still enough to create an inconvenience.

You might get some groups once in a while, but ultimately, it's impossible to get into serious PvP without all chapters and vent. At least not until 8v8 comes back. Then you could run IWAY, which doesn't use vent and most positions don't use factions skills.

FoxBat · Jan 31, 2007, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Searing Flames requires even less coordination than the old IWAY, although it's not nearly as powerful.

fallot · Jan 31, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

A bunch or people that play with each other often, know exactly what their roles are and what needs to be done can easily play without Vent and do well (outside of 321 spike, hell even that is almost possible). Don't expect a ventless pug to do the same.

Alleji · Jan 31, 2007, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallot

(outside of 321 spike, hell even that is almost possible).

We beat [ugly] timerspiking when our vent server died mid-match... <.<

Good ol' days...

Warskull · Jan 31, 2007, 06:18 PM // 18:18

You use vent or you run Zergway (or whatever IWAY similar build is popular at the moment.) If you actually want to get anywhere in GW PvP you get yourself vent.

ZenRgy · Jan 31, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Vent helps.

That being said, it is possible to play without vent.

Thom basically hit the nail on the head.

Nurse With Wound · Jan 31, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

I dont know how can you play serious pvp and be sucessful without voice-comm. Its impossible. Unless you run smth like IWAY or zergway, where everyone knows their role, and its pretty straighforward what to do. You will probably gonna fail in relic runs anyway.

So my answer is no, its impossible to play well without vent, and I would never admit someone without it to my group.

Thomas.knbk · Jan 31, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

not important if you're leet.

theoretically, people can play competitively without vent. and doing it is like riding a bicycle without always thinking about balancing it.

I like to compare it to riding a bike without arms to hold the steer, because you can hardly control what anyone else in your team is going to do. It is possible to ride a bike without steering, but you will hardly be able to do corners (i.e. changes of tactics in the middle of a battle), and you're going to fall (lose) a lot more often.

Franco Power · Jan 31, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

I've made many 100+ fame runs korean style. Not hard if you know your role and what you are doing, most teams you face in HA nowadays is fotm so you already know what you're up against, but yeah vent not only helps but it's also very fun

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Lykan · Jan 31, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

Playing with a lot of koreans, sometimes we just roll without vent, most of the time we do pretty well. As long as you have competent players who know what they should be doing you will be ok, yes it gets hard if you need complex strats but the way HA is atm.....pfft

Wilhelm · Jan 31, 2007, 07:12 PM // 19:12

I wouldn't necessarily say it's mandatory atm...afterall there's no real coordination required to run the mindless pressure shit that's 90% of teams are running.

arbiter · Jan 31, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

You may not need vent 100% of the time, depending on build and such, but if you want to join a serious team with a decent rank, they will almost always be using vent, and if they are all using vent, they will almost never accept anyone who cant use it with them. Communication through voice is very important even as far as little things go. So i mean, even if a team in general doesnt always "need it" they will use it anyway, and its gonna be a requirement

Paddatoochie · Jan 31, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

Hmm thanks for all your help guys, I just wish Dad wasn't such a Nazi when it comes to internet security, does anyone know how much bandwidth and money etc. that Vent actually uses?

I have got a bit of Fame, I even managed to win HoH once, with a group of all e/mo e/mes, with no Monk, playing Searig Flames and Wards. We skipped, I think, 8 maps to get there, then won. Hehehe, good times.

leeky baby · Jan 31, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

just get vent and ts without ur dad nowing, or ask him nice :P

the bigger problem for most people is there parents dont want them to have mics not downloading vent :P